not to be a dick

[SXE_Warrior_SXE]

But everyone involved in that BS yesterday has admitted to the BS and if nothing is done to resolve it I hate to say it but the PPV will be my resignation, I would never be in a league where the owner would do what was done all match like last night even if I'm friends with said owner, go ahead and delete if this makes you mad but I know I'm right to be upset after that especially given the post convo's I've had where both sides admitted to the BS I'm talking abo9ut, I just wanted to lt it be known so that if nothing changes no one can say I didn't give any warning

[Brock Lesnar]

All match? I said that shit twice when Flood got in BEFORE the damn pin was even attempted. All you had to do was let Flood on the apron and then pin him. And about the attack on the outside, YOUR TEAMMATE, VA, said that if someone was on the floor, then it should be reason enough to attack them. You were on the floor on OUR side. I did ONE move to you. You said I complained about the pinning it all damn match, and I know that is not true. Both sides had complaints. I complained about sliding in to break up pins, but VA said he didn't care about that, so that was okay. Now we all know that if there is someone to complain it would be VA, no offence. VA has hardly said anything about it. So I guess we can toss the match out. Have your tag titles.

[SXE_Warrior_SXE]

Wtf you said you know its not true you didn't complain about pins all match now but I still have the messages on psn where you say "Maybe I bitched but it was cuz I was in the heat of the match". You can't do that as an owner especially when it DID cost us a legit pin when I GTS'd Barrett which u avoid whenever I bring up, its not about the titles o the win its about how it was done bro, even ryden said he knew you were flippin but just wasn't sayin anything cuz he was mad enough about the lag, I'm no tryna be a dick dude you've known me for what 5 years? I only say shit when something needs to be said

[Brock Lesnar]

I bitched, but it damn sure was not about EVERY pin. My bitching was about FLOOD coming in BEFORE the pin was ever attempted. If a legit pin was gone for I could care less.

[Brock Lesnar]

Barrett rolled out of the ring. It isn't my fault you didn't delay the damn pin and let Flood get out right quick. That was what I was bitching about b/c that is bullshit. That is why there is a rule to only come in once the pin is attempted. And everyone bitches in a match. I have heard you, ryden, and everyone bitch when something goes wrong or when you're getting beat. It all changes once the momentum switches hands.

[SXE_Warrior_SXE]

Dude I was trying to delay the pin then cover and u spent the whole time saying I couldn't pin it, I don't know why you're acting like you've done nothing wrong when ur team admits it and you did the other night pretty much as well, and I don't care aout bitching but when you're the OWNER OF THE SITE saying I can't pin because you don't want to lose then that's bs. As owner you can't go telling people they can't pin cuz u don't wanna lose even if its in the heat of a match because you're the OWNER, you're not just another member someone can ignore when they bitc about something because you have overseeing authority. I had the chance to pin barrett, I delayed him and dragged him but had to argue with you the whole time on mics if I can pin because you said I couldn't so I dragged him to our corner then he rolled out, ask anyone else in the match including your own partner, playing dumb about it is just making you look bad

[SXE_Warrior_SXE]

And no one was in ring for that GTS, one of your partners was knocked down by me and it was only u left on the corner when u were screaming I couldn't pin and that was because you knew you wouldn't be able to stop it, everyone else in the match has stated that what was going on was fucked up but you just keep denying it to yourself, I'm not trying to attack you personally or anything I still consider you a good friend but when everyone in the match is saying its fucked up and your still denying it its just fucked up, I just talked to ryden last night and he agreed it should be rematched as well because of all that shit

[Brock Lesnar]

When everyone else in the match can reply saying what was happening, then we can ALL discuss this, but the thing is, they haven't. You were the only one complaining after the match. Was Flood in the ring before you would have gone for that pin? Idk, but he most likely was because that was the reason that I called no pin at any time during that match. I am not going to call no pin just because I am the only one with a chance to stop it b/c I know that would be bullshit. And every time I say we can throw the damn match out, you claim it doesn't matter, when obviously... it does. I never denied that I said not to pin, but it was when FLOOD was in the ring WAY too early, and you have yet to acknowledge that fact so it seems.

[SXE_Warrior_SXE]

Flood came in early for a couple times and I'm not mad about those, I'm upset about the other times we had legit claims to pins (the first one and the gts) that you told us we couldn- pin, I acknowledge at times my partners ad even I came in too early but I left right away as did my partners then because you were right about a couple you started aying we couldn't pin off any legit ones too just because you didn't want to lose, I don't blame you for not wanting to lose in the heat of the moment but screaming that stuff is just wrong and everyone but you can admit it

[VA]

Alright, I have now read this topic and will respond to this as far as my opinion on the entire matter.

This business about not being allowed to pin after a finisher just because someone is inside the ring (via lag most likely) is a little overly picky. Which is something you DID complain about Blizz. It's not like we are all mind readers and know EXACTLY when someone is going to get the pin in the lag. (Whether he pins immediately or moves the guy a bit first for the pin "delaying" the pin as you say.) You can't just jump down our throats for entering a bit early. And there were cases where you said (probably mistakenly) that there couldn't be a pin, when in fact it was perfectly legal to do so.

My problem was this... You had cases where guys were jumping off the apron which allows them to QUICKLY slide into the ring to break up pins, rather than have to "enter" the ring when on the apron. SO I suggested during the match that everyone needs to at least be on the apron before coming into the ring to break up a pin... In other words I didn't want it such that you could just quickly RUN into the ring from the outside giving you an advantage in breaking up the pin chances.

As far as actually fighting on the outside, I did not care much about that as long as it wasn't excessive. I didn't want EVERYONE off the damn apron tho and 4 guys fighting on the outside with 2 guys on the inside. One guy jumping off the apron to attack the guy on the outside and attempt to throw him back inside to me is just fine.

One thing I DO have a big problem with was Ryden repeatedly accused Flood of cheating during button mash mini game which Flood seemed to repeatedly win. This is when Heyman was set to 80 STR and Miz is what 80 as well? Unless Ryden claims he's Superman and can mash better than EVERYONE else on the planet, I'm sorry, but the claim is unfounded at best.

This is not to mention the smaller 'infractions' of sliding out of the ring while running (The L1 escape) and using Irish Whip a bit too often once he started to lose the mash mini game. (I honestly don't care and can overlook these things, they aren't that big of a deal)

This match had a LOT of problems in my opinion... The result was suspect due to the arguments DURING the contest that probably should have warranted at least a redo, but everyone left following the match. (Which was probably a GOOD thing with the way everyone got angry after the damn match...)

What you all want to do about this, IDK, but IMO the match was at LEAST a bit on the BS side.

[ryden78]

I've sat here for five minutes trying to think of a reaction to this thread. But really? I don't give a fuck anymore. I'll let the admins decide if this is to be simulated or redone. It's not a huge deal to me. If Warrior is gonna quit over something like this, just simulate it, because it's not worth losing a member over.

If you want to talk about the issues you named, VA, hit me up somewhere other than in a thread where the entire fed can see what you say. I'm not adding to this argument.

[VA]

First off I replied through the "10 most recent posts" option on the boards, so when I saw the topic and posts, I had assumed it was in an admin section, but was not. Second off it's an opinion, and I have the right to it, nothing I said was untrue, so who the hell cares if EVERYONE sees it.

As I stated, the only problem I have as far as YOU are concerned was you constantly complaining about Flood winning the grapple mini game and accused him of cheating. The stats of Heyman were OK'd by Blizz as I recall prior to the match. The other things were minor as far as I am concerned, I don't like them but I am not going to cause a huge ass argument over it.

Thank you, and have a cookie.

[Brock Lesnar]

This match is thrown out. There is nothing to be done to settle it. I can't really sim it either because I will get complaints from that as well. I will toss it out, and Miz and Barrett can get a tag match for the titles or we can reschedule it. I am done arguing over some BS. Lag or not, I wasn't coming in early and walking over to the opposite side of the ring to cut off people from breaking up the pins. From now on I will mute my mic in tag matches. I didn't know everything had to be taken so seriously in the heat of a match. I have heard ALL of you bitch during a match.

[SXE_Warrior_SXE]

When did I ever say you absolutely can't pin or its against the rule when its legit? Everyone bitches but that's something entirely different dude from screaming (as an owner mind you) "you can't pin! You can't pin! You can't pin!" Which whether you want to say you did or not everyone else in the match knows happened but you shouldn't have to mute yourself everytime we play now, I just want you to realize the power and influence you have bro, as I've said all along this isn't me trying to attack you I still consider you a close friend, your're still my nigga, i'd still give u the shirt off my back and don't want you to be mad about me speaking my mind because I honestly think you just didn't realize how much sway your word holds now, you're used to being a member in leagues and owning efeds which is slightly different and may take a short time to get used to remembering when your in the middle of a match

[VA]

Well, like I said, I really don't have a HUGE issue with anything myself, other than the whole accusing people of cheating. Apparently the stats of Heyman weren't precisely agreed upon prior to the match or something like that, I don't know, I thought they were (I know they were both set to 75 OVR but their precise stat distributions were different, I noticed this but thought the setups were agreed upon prior to me joining the match... As you all recall I was the last one to join).

As far as coming in "way early" to help protect or break up pins... Like I said, it's kind of hard, you aren't a mind reader, and its laggy.

Bottom line, I don't care, just don't go throwing around accusations of people cheating during the match unless there is a huge reason for it.

As far as what to do, I say just split the difference, have someone (say Shane) come out and say that he is not going to allow the tag titles to be on the line for the match, but he WILL allow the GM position to be up for grabs or something like that, allowing Laurinaitis to gain control of GM of the show, and then book the Tag Title match for Brawl for All or All Stars between the two teams in some sort of Tornado Tag situation as to make sure there is no confusion about breaking up pins or something like that.

[Grobe15]

ugh but then that means lauranitis is here for good and even when someone is rping as him i hate him